Fin de partie : Bug ?

[lynkowsky]

Partie 1988, elle se termine avant le dernier grand marché, et je ne comprends pas pourquoi. Dans l'aide, je lis

addendum: si un joueur ne peut plus poser de bateau, la partie s'arrête immédiatement, sans jour de marché final! Les bonus de l'entrepôt sont simplement ajoutés aux scores actuels.

Mais Polomatt a posé son bateau, le joueur suivant, c'est moi, et j'ai encore un bateau à poser. Donc, soit je ne comprends pas l'addendum, soit il y a un bug...

[diplojak]

c'est bien un bug. on testait s'il y avait de la place pour un bateau... et aussi si le joueur actif avait un bateau en main. mais le joueur actif, c'était Polomatt, au lieu de toi. c'est corrigé.

[Nours]

Du coup y a moyen de reprendre la partie?

[diplojak]

non. sinon elle finirait 2 fois, paradoxe temporel, et autodestruction de baj

[Dosto]

non. sinon elle finirait 2 fois, paradoxe temporel, et autodestruction de baj

On appelle Doctor Who, avec lui ça se tente

[xeiron]

The same thing happened in partie 2297 http://www.boiteajeux.net/jeux/klg/partie.php?id=2297

Fox places his last boat, bringing the Luk-Phat to the last step before marked day. The game recognises he is out of boats and ends.
What I believe should happen is that I get to play my turn. I have two boats left, both with Luk-Phat symbols, and I have 4 leagal spots to place them. That should take us to the last marked day.

[diplojak]

indeed. it looks like it was not really fixed, actually it should be ok now.

[volkerk]

The game end should only be triggered if nobody can place boats anymore. If X cannot play anymore, he should simply be skipped, and others should still get to place their boats until either the tableau is full or they're out of boats. According to the rules, the final market day is triggered by the full tableau scenario, if the luk phat marker hasn't reached the end. It should also be triggered by any other "cannot play" scenario. There is no provision in the official rules for an early end *without* final market day, and it's an unfair early ending that rewards the players that did not wisely keep a stock of sufficient boats, so it turns the game completely upside down. And even though you've declared this special rule as an addendum, it's a random deviation from how everyone else plays this game. Besides, we can't see the boats the other players have left, so aren't warned of the impending early end in any way - that's totally unfair.

[lynkowsky]

Discussed in an other thread (in French) :
during the adaptation of the game on BaJ, it has been asked to the publisher "what happened if one has no more boats" (as nothing in hte rules tell what to do in such case). First, they replied it will never happen, then, when it happened the designer gave us a rule. That is this rule that is played on BaJ.

If you really wish to play with the official rules, then, we should bug all the games were one as no more boats...

[volkerk]

The game designer, Martin Schlegel, plays here on BAj (and on Yucata) and I've asked him. He confirmed that the great market day has to happen in any event triggering the game end. He did admit that he had not foreseen the possibility that a player could be out of boats to place, while others would still be able to play, so he was not sure whether those should be skipped or the game end should be triggered (the question was posed in casual conversation, he had no time to think this through in depth or playtest it). However the rules never made any provision for triggering game end without great market day, and Martin was very clear that he never intended for any end condition that would skip that final scoring.